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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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Wyvern-shaped software developer and hobby vector artist. Also sometimes a fluffy werewolf alien creature (Areon).

Creator of the neofoxes, neocats and other emojis.
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Speaking German, English
Age 30s
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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@crw Es ändert sich sowieso nie was 🤷
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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@eri Okay, I feel a bit offended being included in "you people" because in my posts I very strongly address the practical implications these design decisions have. I specifically try to bring the perspective of normal people into the conversation.
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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@pmartin Yeah, but that doesn't really invalidate what I said.
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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Meh, I really need to stop perpetuating this cycle of protocol discussions because I'm annoyed by it myself. wvrnFlat I see a take I want to address, and that leads to my own take doing the same to others.
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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the thing that makes fedi (imo) better is that here you get to at least choose the messy humans making the decisions for you
I'm not replying to the original post because it feels like I would be pedantic or stirring shit. But I don't quite agree with this. You aren't only affected by decisions your own instance admins make, but also those of other instances. If you interact with someone in a regular basis and their admins decided to suspend you for whatever reason, then it doesn't matter who your admins are, your connection will be severed. You would've had no choice in this.

Obviously, communities must be able to keep certain people away. The issue is rather that as I said a lot lately, instances as communities doesn't really hold and moderation decisions have more invasive effects than anywhere outside of fedi. Imagine if a Discord server kicked you out and you couldn't talk with any of its members ever again.
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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mlemlemlem drgn_mlem
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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Et tu, Strapi?
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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@49016 I didn't know pl-fe can even handle cursed stuff like this neofox_googly
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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@puniko Why would I be dutch neofox_googly_woozy
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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@puniko neofox_what
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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​:areonVFlat:​
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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Hello this is the Mastadon Team,
please send your username and password. And also your credit card details while you're at it.
kthxbye
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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@derpostillon Irgendwie hab ich mir das Leben nach dem Tod anders vorgestellt
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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@tromino If the global space was very strongly de-emphasized in favor of community spaces, then I think we'd see less aggression and drama. A big problem fedi suffers are clashing expectations: some people want to have insect posts CWed, but members of an insect community obviously would think that's nonsense. Some write barely intelligible posts because that's just how everyone in their community types, while the rest hates these posts because they're hard to read. Community spaces would create the separation necessary to accommodate both.
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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@gwenthefops

The key difference is that communities outside of microblogging require the intent to switch contexts. In case of the gym, it's the act of entering the building. Online, it's the act of opening a forum in the browser. In chat rooms, it's the act of switching rooms. There's always clear separation at this current moment, and the group members are aware of this as a subtext

Microblogging isn't like this, even with the existence of local posting because by and large, you're still always confronted with a mixture of global and local since it's too easy to switch between them on a whim. This deprives everyone of this deliberate context switching mechanism that otherwise permeates our lives, and this leads to all kinds of weirdness. I have written about it here:
volpeon.ink/notebook/microblogging-misdesign/
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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@gwenthefops

That's a good point, but I think it doesn't contradict mine. What a club or gym does is provide a consistent separate environment for everyone to be at, segregated from the public. A familiar comfortable space they have to themselves. Instances lack this property because everything still takes place in the loud global space.
So like I said, the fediverse would have to present instances as communities in some way to restore this property and actually make them work for community building.
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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More additional thoughts because the explanation above also may help you understand one point of conflict that never seems to go away: peoples confusion about instances.
I used to think that choosing an instance was like choosing an email provider. Others will say that it's also like choosing forums to join, and nobody had trouble with that either. The truth is, though, that it's both in the worst possible way.

This part of the fediverse is focused on microblogging. Like i said, microblogging in its current form has no concept for communities because everything goes into a global scope.
We like to say that instances on the fediverse are communities, and at the first glance that makes sense. They have a theme, rules and standards, a staff to enforce them, and a join process. It's the same as forums, right?
But instances are also federated, and this leads to the lines becoming blurred. So blurred, in fact, that it's hard to see any difference between them. Same as with alts, you can interact with the network and the experience will mostly be the same. The only difference is what parts of the network are inaccessible due to moderation and maybe a custom UI (if the user even sticks with the web UI).

Is this enough to create a sense of community? I don't think so.
Communities are formed around a shared interest, with members talking about it, sharing their own works, holding events, etc. How could instances possibly be neat units of communities when all of these acts happen across the boundaries? Personally, I never felt intrinsically closer with anyone just because we were on the same instance.

It's easy to choose an instance on a purely mechanical level. You open one, register, done. It's no different from other platforms and this
isn't the part that makes people struggle. It's the lack of a clear point of instances in the first place. They're first and foremost a vehicle to drive decentralization, but are presented as communities, leading to clashing expectations and behaviors. This is where the confusion comes from.

This doesn't mean that instances are bad or pointless. The mistake the fediverse made was adopting the instance = community concept without ever adjusting the microblogging design to represent them as such.
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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@puniko Das stimmt drgn_angel_mlem
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privTri Volpeon areonNSmol @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip
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@catraxx drgn_flat_blep
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@catraxx I guess drgn_comfy__w_